New rhythm problem post pacemaker

Hi! I was implanted with a Boston Scientific Ingenio at the end of July. Prior to this my HR was usually in the low – mid 40s with occasional forays into the upper 30’s while waking. My heart would also pause then run tachy (150- 160 range). I also dealt with Chronotropic Incompetence and I fainted a lot. My official diagnosis is tachy-brady sss w/ sinus pauses and CI. I had hoped that all of this would be over once I got implanted, but I’m still having some problems.

Feel free to skip to the end – I’m probably going to ramble before I get to the actual questions and I apologize in advance! This is all new to me and I'm a bit overwhelmed trying to figure this all out.

My initial rate was set at the standard 60, upper limit 160 (I’m only 30) accelerometer: passive, activity level: active, MV sensitivity: 8. I had my first adjustment and the EP Dr. bumped the rate to 70 (which is much better). I’m currently pacing at 69%.

I was still having tachy runs which would bounce me from 70 to 120/130 and then back again. I also had very strong pvcs, which while not pleasant, were also a fact of life for me prior to the implant so I wasn’t too bothered by them.

I still was struggling to move around without feeling tired and short of breath so the EP’s PA changed the MV sensitivity from 8 – 12. When I came home from the appointment (on a Friday afternoon) my heart felt like it was just racing with any little movement. I did not sleep much at all that night because everytime I rolled over I felt like I was running 10 mph. However, I felt I needed to give my heart a chance to settle down before I decided if it was going to be too high of a setting.

It was much calmer by Monday morning (thankfully!) however, after I got up and did my morning routine, I went in to get my dog up (she's quite a senior citizen and has a heart condition herself) and as I was sitting on the floor petting her I went into a weird rhythm that I have never had before last Monday morning and I passed out while sitting down. It felt like (maybe?) a string of pvcs with no normal beats in between and it was fast (probably 120 – 130 or so).

I called my regular Cardiologist’s office (not the EP’s office) and got into see his PA. She interrogated the pacer and said there was nothing odd recorded, but that it would not note pvcs or hr’s under 160. I have passed out twice more since then. Once while sitting and once while exercising. Both times I felt that same rhythm. I have also had brief episodes of that same rhythm, but slower (around 80-100) maybe 10-15 times since last Friday. It seems to be getting better now.

My questions for my fellow pacer's are these:
1. My follow up with my EP is not until September 17th and his office informed me that if I pass out I was to “go to the emergency room and then your EP can review the tests they ran at the ER.” My family is pushing me to be more forceful with my EP’s front desk staff or get in touch with Dr. directly (I happen to have his email) so I can be seen sooner, but I hate to be a bother only to have them interrogate the pacer and not see anything again. I also don't want to email him and have him give me the same response - ie: go to the er..."

I also do not want to end up with another EP besides my own doctor because one of the other EP docs in his office told me several years ago in no uncertain terms that I most certainly did not have any electrical problems with my heart. (Which was both completely wrong and mean of him. It would be just my luck to get him if they actually did scheduled me for an emergency appointment.) Besides I trust my EP and I want to know what he thinks about this mew rhythm, not some other doctor. Suggestions?

Also:
My regular cardiologist’s PA put me on metoprolol which I totally hate! I feel like an exhausted zombie who couldn’t fight my way out of a paper bag. Plus I’m still tachy – only now I have low blood pressure to accompany it. (87/60 standing with a hr of 70 - 144 this afternoon…so fun.) I went from having half of my days as bad days because of tachy runs to having 100% bad days because I’m so tired / sick (nausea/ headache/dizzy) from the drug and I’m still tachy.

I really do not want to take this medication anymore. I am starting to feel a little like I may never be able to live like a normal person again. Thoughts on medications for controlling sss tachy runs / weird pvc runs?

Also, could the beta blocker be depressing me? I am usually pretty cheerful in spite of stuff, but I am not coping really well the past few days.

I guess I’m feeling a little beat up. I got blessed with a couple of autoimmune diseases several years ago and I feel like I have my hands full dealing with those. Now with sss on top of it I feel like I’ve got both feet in the grave and the medical field is tossing dirt on me. Thanks for ‘listening.’

Sincerely,
(Used to be a)
Spunky_1.


8 Comments

Spunky, if I were your mother

by NiceNiecey - 2014-08-30 04:08:27

I'd whip you into the ER or the EP so fast your head would spin. Your bio doesn't say anything about you (age, location) but I suspect maybe you're a younger female since you don't want to trouble anyone. STOP THAT.

1) you are still in the recovery period
2) Beta blocker will help keep your heart from getting tachy. They are annoying but helpful
3) I cannot believe you've fainted 3 times since you got your device
4) your family is right: get in ASAP
5) sometimes the ER truly is the right place. I went 3 times those first few weeks. It's all so new it's hard to know what's truly an emergency and what's routine. (Passing out is NOT routine)
6) depression is common after procedures performed on the heart. Don't let it go too terribly long.

There is a lot to adjust to with getting a PM. I'm 8 months out and STILL feel that I'm adjusting. Give yourself time. In the meantime, I would NOT drive. You're fainting way too frequently to be safe.

Let us know what happens next.

Forget the Doctors....

by Lurch - 2014-08-30 05:08:01

..... do as your Mother says!!! Well, her and NiceNiecey...

Hope you get it all worked out!

My mother said to tell you"Thank you''

by Spunky_1 - 2014-08-30 05:08:31

NiceNiecey - I laughed when I read your comment because you are so right on. I am a girl and 30 - hope that still counts as younger! I read your comment to my mother and she said to tell you, "thank you!" I will let her take me in. I'm in the USA.

Spunky (the chastised) 1

Yes, go to the ER

by Grateful Heart - 2014-08-30 05:08:48

I agree with Niecey, you need to be seen.

You should go now, we can all talk later.

Grateful Heart

2nd opinion

by Grateful Heart - 2014-08-31 09:08:50


Not that you need one, but to find another Doctor. It sounds like you can't get past his staff.....that is a problem.

Try another Doctor to see how your condition should be handled. You shouldn't be ignored or brushed off by the staff or Doctor....BTDT.

It doesn't hurt for another Doctor to look at your condition with fresh eyes. It's been my experience they do not want to hear complaints about their staff.

Good luck and keep us posted.

Grateful Heart

Back from the er..

by Spunky_1 - 2014-08-31 09:08:51

Well, that was a fun 4 hours I had yesterday at the ER, although I do not mean to complain about the time it took. The medical care around here is pretty great - as long as you can get past the receptionist / office staff.

The ER doc ran labs: CBC/ CBC w/ diff, comp. metabolic panel, HCG serum (I could have told her I was not pregnant lol!) Troponin I and Prolactin. All normal. They also did a chest x-ray. There was some slight differences between the x-ray taken just after implantation and yesterday. The radiologist noted, "Orientation of the distal end on the chest x-ray is visualized is different, previously had a slight upward deflection and on the current exam has a linear orientation..." he also noted that this was likely due to the differential positioning of the patient (ie: me) from the first view to this current view.

The ER doc was going to keep me overnight for observation, but I informed her that I would love to go home and since I don't live alone I would be okay. She made me promise to immediately inform someone if I felt odd at all.

She set up a week-long event monitor which I am currently wearing. I had hoped that putting in a pacemaker would be the end to all the button pushing, but apparently not. She also told me in no uncertain terms that I needed to see the EP asap. (I know!! Tell that to the receptionist!) According to the er doc if I can't get past the receptionist to speak with a nurse directly she will call and deal with them herself. She knows the EP and wholeheartedly agreed with me in my assessment that he is going to be upset that he is not getting emergency messages.

If the rhythm causes me to faint again I am supposed to go directly back to the er. Yay.

I have not had any of the super weird rhythm issues occur again yet. I've had a few SVT episodes though. I hope they can get those fixed as well. Whether the weird rhythm recurs or not while I'm on the monitor doesn't matter. (Ok, it does - it would make it a lot easier to treat if the EP could see it!) What I mean is I know 'it' happened and whatever 'it' is will probably happen again someday without treatment.

I am so tired of fainting! I have to say this rhythm produces a strange kind of faint. I'm used to either drop attacks (those are fun, but fixed via pacer) or the occasional low-blood pressure induced head rush vasovagal faint. This faint was a new one. My rhythm changed and after a few seconds I started feeling lightheaded, and I could feel my vision tunneling. Then I just *poof* went out. Two of those times I was seated. Once I was walking briskly for exercise up and down my hallway. I was only spared a bump on the head because I happened to be passing my sofa and flung myself in that direction. Luckily, I made it to a cushy landing. :)
I'll keep you all posted. Thanks for the kick to get me going.

Spunky

update

by Spunky_1 - 2014-09-04 03:09:15

I called the EP's office on Tuesday morning and bypassed the receptionist by asking for the nurse. I related all the info to the nurse who asked me to hold while she called the Dr. He was v upset that I had been through the run around and told the nurse to have me be seen that same day by his partner (as it was my regular dr.'s procedure day and he was not in clinic). They put me in and want me monitoring for the next month. Oh joy. They have me off the metropolol for the time being in hopes that the rhythm will recur. They also bumped up my appointment with my regular Dr. because so far the 'events' I have recorded are all tachy. I hit 155 regularly just sitting. Which is totally awful. Hopefully my regular EP can get me something that works to stop this without turning me into a zombie.

Thank you for all of your help!

Spunky_1

we are the same

by emilpacemaker - 2014-09-13 03:09:49

hi madam. Im 28 year old and we almost had the same experience im in 5 months now after my p.m( first diagnos is bracardia the after a months I feel pulpitation and go to the e.r then the doctor said tachy cardia.... They not adjust my pm. They gave me metroprolol.. And I hate that so bad I feel im imputent at the age of 28 lol...... Then ill try to see another cardiologist and finally back my streinght they replace metroprolol to amiodorol and also gave me xarelto for blood tinner and mecardis for my bp.. Anyway hope u understand my statement im not good in english sorry for that haha... Salamat(thanks)

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